Comments on: The Framework is the Language http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/ Thoughts on programming, people and life Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:01:37 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Eric Lamb http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1356 Eric Lamb Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:36:14 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1356 Hi noxie, Thanks for the insight; I realize CodeIgnitor isn't the most complicated framework but you do pay for the ease of use with higher load per request. Eric Hi noxie,

Thanks for the insight; I realize CodeIgnitor isn’t the most complicated framework but you do pay for the ease of use with higher load per request.

Eric

]]> By: Eric Lamb http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1355 Eric Lamb Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:34:32 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1355 Thanks for the links Andy; good reads :) Thanks for the links Andy; good reads :)

]]> By: tb http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1353 tb Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:15 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1353 Agree. I'd even go a little further and say that sometimes a framework can be an absolute saving grace, making an otherwise clumsy language palatable. Come to think of it, a framework is an interesting evolutionary step in language's life-cycle. Makes me wish the boiler plate functionality of a language that get synthesized into a framework simply became integrated into the core of the given language. Agree. I’d even go a little further and say that sometimes a framework can be an absolute saving grace, making an otherwise clumsy language palatable. Come to think of it, a framework is an interesting evolutionary step in language’s life-cycle. Makes me wish the boiler plate functionality of a language that get synthesized into a framework simply became integrated into the core of the given language.

]]> By: Andy Jeffries http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1350 Andy Jeffries Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:00:15 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1350 Absolutely, you'll get used to Rails the more you use it. I'd recommend railsforphp.com as a good resource to find the equivalents. Doing a search for a PHP function will get you the Rails/Ruby equivalent, for example - http://railsforphp.com/reference/strings/substr I've also written a few blog posts you may find interesting (as I'm an ex-PHP developer): http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/4-reasons-why-ruby-syntax-is-better-than-phps- http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/rebuilding-a-site-from-symfony-to-rails http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/why-i-think-ruby-on-rails-is-an-ideal-web-development-environment Absolutely, you’ll get used to Rails the more you use it. I’d recommend railsforphp.com as a good resource to find the equivalents. Doing a search for a PHP function will get you the Rails/Ruby equivalent, for example – http://railsforphp.com/reference/strings/substr

I’ve also written a few blog posts you may find interesting (as I’m an ex-PHP developer):

http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/4-reasons-why-ruby-syntax-is-better-than-phps-
http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/rebuilding-a-site-from-symfony-to-rails
http://andyjeffries.co.uk/articles/why-i-think-ruby-on-rails-is-an-ideal-web-development-environment

]]> By: n0xie http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1343 n0xie Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:24:56 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1343 I would agree with you to some extend untill you mentioned CodeIgniter. CodeIgniter is so simple it takes most experienced developers less than a day to get up to full speed. The Zend Framework and Symphony are in a whole different ballpark so yes getting to know them takes time. The key feature here is documentation. and the willingness to learn something new. I would agree with you to some extend untill you mentioned CodeIgniter. CodeIgniter is so simple it takes most experienced developers less than a day to get up to full speed. The Zend Framework and Symphony are in a whole different ballpark so yes getting to know them takes time. The key feature here is documentation. and the willingness to learn something new.

]]> By: David Duggins http://blog.ericlamb.net/2009/09/the-framework-is-the-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1271 David Duggins Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:03:35 +0000 http://blog.ericlamb.net/?p=2486#comment-1271 I too have noticed that frameworks aren't always all that they are cracked up to be. I prefer using my own "non-framework" set-up for coding php than using zend ect. As far as a new languages is concerned, I've been playing with Ruby on Rails and I find it to be a pretty nifty web-framework. I still come to points where I beat my head against the wall and say "I'd already have this done in php" but I figure that is just the learning curve kicking my ass and that once I get around it, I'll not have such headaches as much. I too have noticed that frameworks aren’t always all that they are cracked up to be. I prefer using my own “non-framework” set-up for coding php than using zend ect. As far as a new languages is concerned, I’ve been playing with Ruby on Rails and I find it to be a pretty nifty web-framework. I still come to points where I beat my head against the wall and say “I’d already have this done in php” but I figure that is just the learning curve kicking my ass and that once I get around it, I’ll not have such headaches as much.

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